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Post by whitneyhouston on Feb 3, 2020 11:12:21 GMT -5
Howdy ya'll! I got together with my source this weekend and I got a plethora of info so I wanted to start a separate thread. Let's call it "Bunbury 2020 - The Chronicles"
There's a lot of info so I will do my best to be as concise as possible. Also, we I say something like "they backed out" I'm not saying the artist made the decision to cancel. It's more than likely their management team that made the decision.
Let's get started
As I shared earlier, I was told that we cycled through 8 different headliners
1- MARSHMELLO - He was the only originally booked headliner that did not drop
2- Lizzo - After her sell out show at Express Live in the summer, Promowest immediately tried to sign her for Bunbury. There was a lot of back and fourth as she was hesitant while her success was really blowing up. Around late September, she finally made the decision to not play Bunbury.
3- Billie Eilish - She was booked in early August because they were unsure if Lizzo was going to pan out, however never signed a full contract, only a verbal agreement. About 3 week prior to announcing her South America + Europe tour, she informed Promowest that she would not be performing.
4- The Smashing Pumpkins - Did not get a lot of detail about this one but something happened around Christmas time that mutually ended the contract TSP signed with Bunbury.
5- THE AVETT BROTHERS - With TSP dropping about 6-8 weeks before the lineup releases, they signed The Avett Brothers as they had a perfect break in their touring schedule.
6- My Chemical Romance - MCR had been planning a reunion for awhile, and Promowest contacted them around September. They signed a contract to play Bunbury in late November but after the success of their first reunion show started second guessing their bookings. On Jan 15th, they backed out of the contract and canceled their Bunbury performance.
7- ANGELS AND AIRWAVES - They were signed in September and originally listed as a "line #2" artist, but last minute panicking caused to move them up to headliner status until they signed TOP
8- TWENTY ONE PILOTS - This was a last minute scramble and pulled in a big favor. Probably doesn't need to be said that Promowest paid a premium to get them last minute and had to drop 2 middle tier artists to pay for TOP. MY source said they did not know which artist were dropped in order to afford TOP though.
All this seems kind of hard to believe in my opinion, but I'm not sure how much lineup jockeying normally occurs
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Post by mcnasty on Feb 3, 2020 11:35:55 GMT -5
Howdy ya'll! I got together with my source this weekend and I got a plethora of info so I wanted to start a separate thread. Let's call it "Bunbury 2020 - The Chronicles" There's a lot of info so I will do my best to be as concise as possible. Also, we I say something like "they backed out" I'm not saying the artist made the decision to cancel. It's more than likely their management team that made the decision. Let's get started As I shared earlier, I was told that we cycled through 8 different headliners 1- MARSHMELLO - He was the only originally booked headliner that did not drop 2- Lizzo - After her sell out show at Express Live in the summer, Promowest immediately tried to sign her for Bunbury. There was a lot of back and fourth as she was hesitant while her success was really blowing up. Around late September, she finally made the decision to not play Bunbury. 3- Billie Eilish - She was booked in early August because they were unsure if Lizzo was going to pan out, however never signed a full contract, only a verbal agreement. About 3 week prior to announcing her South America + Europe tour, she informed Promowest that she would not be performing. 4- The Smashing Pumpkins - Did not get a lot of detail about this one but something happened around Christmas time that mutually ended the contract TSP signed with Bunbury. 5- THE AVETT BROTHERS - With TSP dropping about 6-8 weeks before the lineup releases, they signed The Avett Brothers as they had a perfect break in their touring schedule. 6- My Chemical Romance - MCR had been planning a reunion for awhile, and Promowest contacted them around September. They signed a contract to play Bunbury in late November but after the success of their first reunion show started second guessing their bookings. On Jan 15th, they backed out of the contract and canceled their Bunbury performance. 7- ANGELS AND AIRWAVES - They were signed in September and originally listed as a "line #2" artist, but last minute panicking caused to move them up to headliner status until they signed TOP 8- TWENTY ONE PILOTS - This was a last minute scramble and pulled in a big favor. Probably doesn't need to be said that Promowest paid a premium to get them last minute and had to drop 2 middle tier artists to pay for TOP. MY source said they did not know which artist were dropped in order to afford TOP though. All this seems kind of hard to believe in my opinion, but I'm not sure how much lineup jockeying normally occurs Again coming through with that STRONG info!!! Thank you, Whit. This all makes a lot of sense based on what we heard and speculated. Honestly, kinda shitty of MCR to back out that late in the game. Sucks we lost some mid tier acts because of that. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Feb 3, 2020 12:00:33 GMT -5
Man MCR is realy looking out for the almighty dollar aren't they?
I definitely feel for them having all of those artists back out or not fully commit. That being said, is TOP's price also why there are less artists announced? I thought someone pointed out there was less.
I would love to know which mid-card acts got dropped but we probably will never know. I guess based on this info they really had to lean into "sell the most tickets with the headliners" strategy no matter what because of how late in the game they were to get people locked in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 12:16:10 GMT -5
I wonder if TOP is why the second line is so weird.
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Post by bboy2112 on Feb 3, 2020 12:24:22 GMT -5
whit, you are a god.
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Post by whitneyhouston on Feb 3, 2020 12:28:40 GMT -5
I couldn't get an answer, but I have to assume TOP's price made us drop someone dope like Glass Animals, Portugal, Vampire Weekend, or someone else similar.
Personally, I would have rather kept angels and airwaves at the headliner spot and kept those 2 extra mid tier acts. Would've been a weak headliner, but the rest of the day would've have more talent spread out
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Post by jthans on Feb 3, 2020 12:54:26 GMT -5
Oof, they're honestly lucky they landed TOP. I love AVA, but to see them headline this festival would've been rough - I was already confused on the line #2 billing. Having said that, sounds like their line #2 has sucked since the start.
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Post by mcnasty on Feb 3, 2020 12:54:32 GMT -5
I couldn't get an answer, but I have to assume TOP's price made us drop someone dope like Glass Animals, Portugal, Vampire Weekend, or someone else similar. Personally, I would have rather kept angels and airwaves at the headliner spot and kept those 2 extra mid tier acts. Would've been a weak headliner, but the rest of the day would've have more talent spread out If they were going to move AVA into a headlining position, I'm pretty confident that they didn't have anyone like Glass Animals, Vampire Weekend or PTM. ANy of those would have been bumped to headliner over AVA |
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Post by ordealbyfire on Feb 3, 2020 13:47:23 GMT -5
I want an AvA headline set tbh.
I’m guessing 3eb was one of the acts dropped for 21p
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Post by funkymoses17 on Feb 3, 2020 14:39:24 GMT -5
I couldn't get an answer, but I have to assume TOP's price made us drop someone dope like Glass Animals, Portugal, Vampire Weekend, or someone else similar. Personally, I would have rather kept angels and airwaves at the headliner spot and kept those 2 extra mid tier acts. Would've been a weak headliner, but the rest of the day would've have more talent spread out This is spot on how I would feel. IF they dropped any of those acts as part of the 2 that were dropped, that's just absolute insanity. |
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Post by whitneyhouston on Feb 3, 2020 14:53:54 GMT -5
I want an AvA headline set tbh. I’m guessing 3eb was one of the acts dropped for 21p I assume this too since multiple people had them locked by their source. I think it's strange how things went down this year...I wish I was privy to this level of detail for past years to see if it's always madness |
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Post by cincinnatisound on Feb 3, 2020 19:04:59 GMT -5
Maybe someone with a little more inside knowledge can help, but what the fuck is the point of a contract if they just keep backing out? Did Bunbury get any damages (cash) for the break? Good god how much did TOP cost?
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Post by rascalmj on Feb 3, 2020 20:05:05 GMT -5
Maybe someone with a little more inside knowledge can help, but what the fuck is the point of a contract if they just keep backing out? Did Bunbury get any damages (cash) for the break? Good god how much did TOP cost? I asked something similar in the mess that became the "survey/speculation" thread. As well as a bunch of other questions. I am fascinated by the process and how/what happened and if it is common among other festivals...etc |
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Post by elrondhubbard on Feb 3, 2020 20:12:34 GMT -5
That helps explain some of it. Having some BIG name headliners helps make up for a weak undercard but still. Who is this festival for? It's just a mis-mash of whatever they want mixed in with The Project friendly artists.
#deathtobunbury
Stereogum just shared a post today saying describe this lineup with an emoji. This festival is a laughingstock.
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Post by guest on Feb 3, 2020 20:18:22 GMT -5
Maybe someone with a little more inside knowledge can help, but what the fuck is the point of a contract if they just keep backing out? Did Bunbury get any damages (cash) for the break? Good god how much did TOP cost? This is the million dollar question. Bunbury obviously had someone on the ball who realized Lizzo, Billie Eilish, and the MCR reunion were going to be big---even before the artists themselves knew it. But, unfortunately, Bunbury is obviously also the kind of festival big (or up and coming) artists don't want to headline. Bunbury needs to either step up their reputation, manage their expectations better, or come up with an iron clad contract for these headliners. |
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Post by whitneyhouston on Feb 4, 2020 8:27:01 GMT -5
Maybe someone with a little more inside knowledge can help, but what the fuck is the point of a contract if they just keep backing out? Did Bunbury get any damages (cash) for the break? Good god how much did TOP cost? This is the million dollar question. Bunbury obviously had someone on the ball who realized Lizzo, Billie Eilish, and the MCR reunion were going to be big---even before the artists themselves knew it. But, unfortunately, Bunbury is obviously also the kind of festival big (or up and coming) artists don't want to headline. Bunbury needs to either step up their reputation, manage their expectations better, or come up with an iron clad contract for these headliners. That's one thing I've noticed. If you grab a random person off the street and ask them about Bunbury, most people will have no idea what you're talking about. How does Bunbury bring in big headliners and convince them to play this unheard of festival if the contract (seemingly) mean nothing? |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Feb 4, 2020 8:49:21 GMT -5
This is the million dollar question. Bunbury obviously had someone on the ball who realized Lizzo, Billie Eilish, and the MCR reunion were going to be big---even before the artists themselves knew it. But, unfortunately, Bunbury is obviously also the kind of festival big (or up and coming) artists don't want to headline. Bunbury needs to either step up their reputation, manage their expectations better, or come up with an iron clad contract for these headliners. That's one thing I've noticed. If you grab a random person off the street and ask them about Bunbury, most people will have no idea what you're talking about. How does Bunbury bring in big headliners and convince them to play this unheard of festival if the contract (seemingly) mean nothing? We've never really brought it up, we probably have just gotten so used to it, but look to something as little as the overall branding/creative aspect of the festival. Their branding is very junior quality and they rarely even adjust it. Where as other festivals put little things into themes every year for their branding and little tweaks that seem insignificant in the grand scheme but overall it sets them apart from eachother. |
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Post by mcnasty on Feb 4, 2020 9:35:14 GMT -5
That's one thing I've noticed. If you grab a random person off the street and ask them about Bunbury, most people will have no idea what you're talking about. How does Bunbury bring in big headliners and convince them to play this unheard of festival if the contract (seemingly) mean nothing? We've never really brought it up, we probably have just gotten so used to it, but look to something as little as the overall branding/creative aspect of the festival. Their branding is very junior quality and they rarely even adjust it. Where as other festivals put little things into themes every year for their branding and little tweaks that seem insignificant in the grand scheme but overall it sets them apart from eachother. Perfect example is Forecastle. They've created a GREAT brand and vibe that brings people back year after year, regardless of the lineup. They really channel that branding and vibe into the festival and work hard to make it an experience, not just a collection of musicians every year. That's a big part of what brings me back, |
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Post by whitneyhouston on Feb 4, 2020 9:51:17 GMT -5
We've never really brought it up, we probably have just gotten so used to it, but look to something as little as the overall branding/creative aspect of the festival. Their branding is very junior quality and they rarely even adjust it. Where as other festivals put little things into themes every year for their branding and little tweaks that seem insignificant in the grand scheme but overall it sets them apart from eachother. Perfect example is Forecastle. They've created a GREAT brand and vibe that brings people back year after year, regardless of the lineup. They really channel that branding and vibe into the festival and work hard to make it an experience, not just a collection of musicians every year. That's a big part of what brings me back, Don't get me wrong, the few years I went to Bunbury I had a great time. But when you get there, you're just there...Outside of checking out bands, there's absolutely nothing to do. If there aren't bands playing that you like, you're kinda shit out of luck |
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Post by cincinnatisound on Feb 4, 2020 10:18:33 GMT -5
That's one thing I've noticed. If you grab a random person off the street and ask them about Bunbury, most people will have no idea what you're talking about. How does Bunbury bring in big headliners and convince them to play this unheard of festival if the contract (seemingly) mean nothing? We've never really brought it up, we probably have just gotten so used to it, but look to something as little as the overall branding/creative aspect of the festival. Their branding is very junior quality and they rarely even adjust it. Where as other festivals put little things into themes every year for their branding and little tweaks that seem insignificant in the grand scheme but overall it sets them apart from eachother. I agree. I think Bunbury has the laziest and worst looking lineup poster of any of the festivals out there. It’s so...bleh. |
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Post by mcnasty on Feb 5, 2020 8:50:26 GMT -5
We've never really brought it up, we probably have just gotten so used to it, but look to something as little as the overall branding/creative aspect of the festival. Their branding is very junior quality and they rarely even adjust it. Where as other festivals put little things into themes every year for their branding and little tweaks that seem insignificant in the grand scheme but overall it sets them apart from eachother. I agree. I think Bunbury has the laziest and worst looking lineup poster of any of the festivals out there. It’s so...bleh. I actually thought this year's was a bit of an upgrade, considering it was the first different one in years. But I agree, the branding overall is pretty bland, and I feel like there's so much more they could do with it as far as graphics and presentation. |
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Post by ordealbyfire on Feb 5, 2020 8:53:49 GMT -5
I think it comes down to the organizers being trash. MoPop has *zero issues* getting big headliners people want, while getting massive up-and-comers every single year.
How Bunbury is still a thing blows my mind — oh, right. It’s pissed idiots like me who still go for VIP (it’s just so damn reasonable).
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Post by joel on Feb 7, 2020 12:32:54 GMT -5
Looks like Smashing Pumpkins is going to be opening for Guns n Roses on their stadium tour this Summer. That could certainly be a reason for them to have backed out of Bunbury.
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Post by cincinnatisound on Feb 7, 2020 12:49:25 GMT -5
Looks like Smashing Pumpkins is going to be opening for Guns n Roses on their stadium tour this Summer. That could certainly be a reason for them to have backed out of Bunbury. That's a weird booking. I feel like those two don't go together. |
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Post by cincinnatisound on Feb 7, 2020 12:51:01 GMT -5
WHY ARE THEY NOT AT BUNBURY.
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Post by joel on Feb 7, 2020 13:48:39 GMT -5
WHY ARE THEY NOT AT BUNBURY. Not gonna lie. I'd rather see them in a headlining reunion show than at Bunbury. I can't imagine them headlining Bubury. Even though they are insanely popular among a certain type of music fan, I'd wager that if you walk down the streets of Cincinnati, 6-7 out of 10 people you ask will have never heard of them in their own home city. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 14:34:51 GMT -5
You think they'll be a late add to Bunbury?
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Post by mcnasty on Feb 7, 2020 14:53:51 GMT -5
You think they'll be a late add to Bunbury? Nope. If they had to nix a couple of mid-tier acts to get 21p, they're not adding anyone. |
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Post by steveboogerfart on Feb 7, 2020 16:07:38 GMT -5
You think they'll be a late add to Bunbury? No and the stage he is dancing on is the one at Taft Theatre. They also tweeted out the video. I am sure the shows will be at Taft. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 12:30:42 GMT -5
You think they'll be a late add to Bunbury? No and the stage he is dancing on is the one at Taft Theatre. They also tweeted out the video. I am sure the shows will be at Taft. [be] They could just be renting it for rehearsals. That is very common. |
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