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Post by funkymoses17 on Jun 24, 2020 8:43:01 GMT -5
I'd love for them to be able to expand it to a layout where you could walk from one place to another. I don't know if they have the budget to make it bigger and make that work but it would be cool. There were rumors floating around when the new Crew stadium was being approved and Sonic Temple reupping in Columbus at Mapfre that the long term idea was to hopefully move it downtown to a SXSW type rock festival. I'm not sure if that's something that will happen at all or not (haven't heard a word about it since) but just a general set up like that would be so cool. I think it does return. Demand will be high, and hopefully there will be an even larger pool of artists available. One thing people have lost sight of in all this is just how bad this has hit some of the artists, not just the promoters and workers. I have connections to a few smaller, well established touring bands who are really struggling, as their income has pretty much halted. Even Grouplove mentioned money being very tight with having to cancel this tour. They hand made and screenprinted a bunch of limited edition jumpsuits to sell just to make some extra income. And this is a commercially successful band. I think the demand will be high for fans too, I know a lot of people itching to get back to a concert, any concert. Its also an opportunity for Promowest to have a big payday, IF they book correctly. Obviously the 2020 lineup was a total disaster. Honestly, the pandemic did them a favor. Same for Forecastle honestly. They both put forth pretty weak lineups. Here's to hoping they get it right in 2021. This also made me think, if the smaller promotional groups (or ones that are not 100% LiveNation) can survive this year then hopefully they are in a good situation when it comes to booking. Livenation rolling out a lot of drastic changes to how they are going to lock down artists for tours and festivals is likely to make some of the "little guys" more appealing to work with going forward. Imo it's still crazy that LiveNation, of all people, is claiming to have been hit so hard by this when they've essentially had a monopoly on the touring and ticketing (and to the a lesser extend the festival circuits) world for years now. I mean that in terms of, it feels like they should have a ton of money. |
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Post by cincinnatisound on Jun 24, 2020 10:04:16 GMT -5
I think it does return. Demand will be high, and hopefully there will be an even larger pool of artists available. One thing people have lost sight of in all this is just how bad this has hit some of the artists, not just the promoters and workers. I have connections to a few smaller, well established touring bands who are really struggling, as their income has pretty much halted. Even Grouplove mentioned money being very tight with having to cancel this tour. They hand made and screenprinted a bunch of limited edition jumpsuits to sell just to make some extra income. And this is a commercially successful band. I think the demand will be high for fans too, I know a lot of people itching to get back to a concert, any concert. Its also an opportunity for Promowest to have a big payday, IF they book correctly. Obviously the 2020 lineup was a total disaster. Honestly, the pandemic did them a favor. Same for Forecastle honestly. They both put forth pretty weak lineups. Here's to hoping they get it right in 2021. This also made me think, if the smaller promotional groups (or ones that are not 100% LiveNation) can survive this year then hopefully they are in a good situation when it comes to booking. Livenation rolling out a lot of drastic changes to how they are going to lock down artists for tours and festivals is likely to make some of the "little guys" more appealing to work with going forward. Imo it's still crazy that LiveNation, of all people, is claiming to have been hit so hard by this when they've essentially had a monopoly on the touring and ticketing (and to the a lesser extend the festival circuits) world for years now. I mean that in terms of, it feels like they should have a ton of money. Unfortunately, I think the opposite is true. The smaller companies front a lot of money to get paid back when the shows/festivals happen. They can't afford to stay afloat during this. I think they're going to get gobbled up or just fold. And Live Nation is in a position to take that market. LN is also in the position to force desperate artists to sign restrictive contracts that prevent them from working with smaller promotional groups. It's a 100% disaster for small business. My family owns a small business and it's truly a scary time. The big corporations will survive, like they always do, because they can afford to shrink and lay people off and then hire them right back when the grow again. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Jun 25, 2020 10:39:22 GMT -5
This also made me think, if the smaller promotional groups (or ones that are not 100% LiveNation) can survive this year then hopefully they are in a good situation when it comes to booking. Livenation rolling out a lot of drastic changes to how they are going to lock down artists for tours and festivals is likely to make some of the "little guys" more appealing to work with going forward. Imo it's still crazy that LiveNation, of all people, is claiming to have been hit so hard by this when they've essentially had a monopoly on the touring and ticketing (and to the a lesser extend the festival circuits) world for years now. I mean that in terms of, it feels like they should have a ton of money. Unfortunately, I think the opposite is true. The smaller companies front a lot of money to get paid back when the shows/festivals happen. They can't afford to stay afloat during this. I think they're going to get gobbled up or just fold. And Live Nation is in a position to take that market. LN is also in the position to force desperate artists to sign restrictive contracts that prevent them from working with smaller promotional groups. It's a 100% disaster for small business. My family owns a small business and it's truly a scary time. The big corporations will survive, like they always do, because they can afford to shrink and lay people off and then hire them right back when the grow again. Ugh that's unfortunate to hear. I hate that. Maybe some of these venture capitalist companies that seems to be popping up all over Ohio and investors can help save some of the smaller guys out here. We need smaller companies far more than the big corporate companies in times like these imo. |
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Post by mcnasty on Jun 25, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -5
Festive Owl Reports Bonnaroo is canceling its re-scheduled dates. That's the last one to do so I believe.
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Post by mcnasty on Jun 25, 2020 23:20:47 GMT -5
Outside Lands dropped their 2021 lineup. Strong headliners and subs....but really not much in the undercard that excites me
Tame Impala-Lizzo-The Strokes-Tyler, the Creator-Vampire Weekend-The 1975
I'm guessing they pretty much just locked in their 2020 lineup for next year and filled in any other gaps accordingly. I'm curious to see if fests who announced their 2020 lineups try to keep most of the lineup for 2021. Honestly, lineups across the board were very strong this year, which is why it really sucks this happened.
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Post by cincinnatisound on Jun 26, 2020 8:01:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think the opposite is true. The smaller companies front a lot of money to get paid back when the shows/festivals happen. They can't afford to stay afloat during this. I think they're going to get gobbled up or just fold. And Live Nation is in a position to take that market. LN is also in the position to force desperate artists to sign restrictive contracts that prevent them from working with smaller promotional groups. It's a 100% disaster for small business. My family owns a small business and it's truly a scary time. The big corporations will survive, like they always do, because they can afford to shrink and lay people off and then hire them right back when the grow again. Ugh that's unfortunate to hear. I hate that. Maybe some of these venture capitalist companies that seems to be popping up all over Ohio and investors can help save some of the smaller guys out here. We need smaller companies far more than the big corporate companies in times like these imo. Yeah we do. But don't think that venture capitalists are the savior. Those guys only have one goal in mind, to strip and flip a company. I've dealt with them in my industry and they buy up companies, fire off the supporting staff to minimize overhead, show a profit on the balance sheet, and then sell it for a profit, usually to the biggest buyer (like LN). And it's just getting worse under the current administration. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Jun 26, 2020 8:26:55 GMT -5
Ugh that's unfortunate to hear. I hate that. Maybe some of these venture capitalist companies that seems to be popping up all over Ohio and investors can help save some of the smaller guys out here. We need smaller companies far more than the big corporate companies in times like these imo. Yeah we do. But don't think that venture capitalists are the savior. Those guys only have one goal in mind, to strip and flip a company. I've dealt with them in my industry and they buy up companies, fire off the supporting staff to minimize overhead, show a profit on the balance sheet, and then sell it for a profit, usually to the biggest buyer (like LN). And it's just getting worse under the current administration. Great point. I'm probably trying to be a little too optimistic at this point. Anyone have a few million laying around or that we can pull together? |
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Post by cincinnatisound on Jun 26, 2020 9:32:29 GMT -5
Yeah we do. But don't think that venture capitalists are the savior. Those guys only have one goal in mind, to strip and flip a company. I've dealt with them in my industry and they buy up companies, fire off the supporting staff to minimize overhead, show a profit on the balance sheet, and then sell it for a profit, usually to the biggest buyer (like LN). And it's just getting worse under the current administration. Great point. I'm probably trying to be a little too optimistic at this point. Anyone have a few million laying around or that we can pull together? I've got a van and a laser printer, we can run our own damn shows! |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Jun 29, 2020 10:49:37 GMT -5
Great point. I'm probably trying to be a little too optimistic at this point. Anyone have a few million laying around or that we can pull together? I've got a van and a laser printer, we can run our own damn shows! I'm in! Also, I was talking to a friend that went to the Garth Brooks Drive In concert thingy this past weekend and I wanted to report on how he said it was. It was essentially what you would expect when it comes to Drive In movies except it's a concert shown (apparently he pre-taped this and very much referred to the Drive In audience). There was tailgating before the concert started (exactly what you would expect if you've been to a country show before) and then when it started everyone listened through their car audio (apparently you couldn't use an app on your phone to bluetooth the sound to your own speaker, it had to be via the car audio). It sounded like people were apprehensive of turning on their sounds too loud so the audio overall for the concert wasn't the greatest. I think people just have to get comfortable with the idea that everyone needs to turn their car audio up? It sounded like it was ok and it only cost $100 per car so it was relatively inexpensive but he said he wouldn't go to one again unless they upgraded the audio capabilities. I'm wondering if Drive Ins are going to do this more (seems like LiveNation is pushing a lot of recorded and live shows this way from what I've seen) will they upgrade their speaker systems as a whole and bring in external speakers for sound instead of just having people do it the old fashion way over the AM frequencies on their car stereos? |
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Post by akronbunbarian on Oct 1, 2020 14:45:06 GMT -5
I have not checked this board in a few months. I just stopped by to see if there were any updates on whether Bunbury was attempting to book a 2021 lineup. I'm going to just my second show this year at the end of October. Rev Peyton's Big Damn Band playing outdoors at Woodlands Tavern. We just happened to be in Columbus for a long ago cancelled show that same day. Pretty pumped for my second row table.
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Post by bboy2112 on Oct 20, 2020 7:20:24 GMT -5
Haven't been on this board since the day bunbury got cancelled, however, I do have a festival planned (per borders opening). I had tickets and a plane ticket to Tokyo booked to go to FujiRock, however, that's been postponed until 2021, so hopefully borders will open by then! Stay safe so we can get back to seeing live music! See y'all in a few months!
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Post by ordealbyfire on Oct 25, 2020 12:40:47 GMT -5
2021 festivals are gonna be cancelled.
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Post by cincinnatisound on Nov 10, 2020 15:56:07 GMT -5
2021 festivals are gonna be cancelled. Probably. That being said, does anyone know a good website for gambling? No scams please. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Nov 12, 2020 12:12:25 GMT -5
2021 festivals are gonna be cancelled. Probably. That being said, does anyone know a good website for gambling? No scams please. After the news coming out on Monday and Fauci and others seemingly having a positive tone about the developments I'm starting to be more optimistic that festivals, or at least SHOWS, will be back at some point next year. That is of course with protocols about proving you took the vaccine, or hopefully the mass majority just all take it when offered anyways. I don't have any sports betting websites to offer, I have a few friends that do it but not through a website. I have seen that MGM is partnering with leagues now and Ceasers as well but I think it's still dependent on the state you are in. (whhhhhhhyyyyyyy can't Ohio get this sports gambling thing going? It shouldn't be that hard). |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Nov 12, 2020 12:15:13 GMT -5
Has anyone discovered any new artist during the music scene shutdown? (meaning live shows and what not obviously).
I think some of the artists that has started to monetize their Twitch Streams and stuff like that have adapted well. I haven't subscribed (or whatever you call it) to any of them yet but am likely to here soon for Bob Moses's.
I didn't get a chance to check out Glass Animals concert thing they did but from screen shots it looked really cool. They don't mess around when it comes to trying new ideas and technology while concerts are on hold.
I also saw Dua Lipa is doing something similar here in a few weeks. Has anyone paid for tickets to one of these broadcast concerts yet?
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Post by lysagrey93 on Nov 30, 2020 12:55:45 GMT -5
I really hope that at least some concerts and festivals will happen in 2021. I have been sitting in self-isolation for a while now and honestly it has been very hard for me. I usually work as an event organizer in London and it has always been such a rush. The fact that this year I had to stay home practically the whole year has not been kind to me in any way. When some of the restrictions got lifted I was super excited. I managed to plan a few small scale personal events this fall but it still didn't come up to par with a whole season. I did manage to score some good clients though and one of the reasons why I did that was the fact that I found a really awesome company that sets up stages that's called UK Stage hire. They have been amazing not just because they worked super fast and also made sure that there were no technical glitches. I honestly am hoping that the pandemic will end soon because it has been tough and I really miss just the general festival/show vibe. In the mean time stay safe. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 1, 2020 9:22:38 GMT -5
I really hope that at least some concerts and festivals will happen in 2021 I wonder if we start to hear early next year about some scheduled for Mid-Late Summer and Fall of next year. Assuming all of the timelines we are hearing about vaccines and what not stay on course, I would think that's the earliest they can do them (outside of the drive-in style ones, which I thik more people will probably start to do in the Spring now that they've been proven to work to some extent). I know once a vaccine is widely available, I will be ok with getting one and going to concerts again. I do wonder if more ppl will adopt what LiveNation has floated, in regards to proving that you've gotten it before being allowed to purchase tickets/attend. |
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Post by akronbunbarian on Dec 9, 2020 13:58:13 GMT -5
I just got a notice that The Airborne Toxic Event tour that had been rescheduled for Spring of 2021 is now rescheduled for fall of 2021. The Newport show is in early October now. I have to think they would not bother rebooking all that again, unless they believe there is a good chance it will happen. Maybe we will get some festivals late summer?
I had tickets for The Fratellis in Chicago in January, but that is not happening, obviously.
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 9, 2020 17:59:46 GMT -5
If anyone is looking for live music on NYE, Sargent Peppercorn's Marathon (The Beatles Marathon) is going to be streamed for free this year. They are doing it in a studio or somewhere and still doing all of the songs in order (13 hours) and starting at Noon on NYE. So if you don't have current plans, could be a fun way to do NYE. I'm not a big go out and dress up person for NYE so this is like a dream come true.
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Post by chetguy on Dec 15, 2020 10:04:00 GMT -5
Hey everyone!
With the vaccine getting kicked into gear and concerts hopefully back on the horizon, I figured its a great time make my return to the board. It’s been a long year without any concerts or festivals but I hope everyone is hanging in there and staying safe for this coming summer!
I’m really curious how some of the local booking companies like promowest are holding up with no income. I’ve got to imagine that the likes of Livenation and AEG/Goldenvoice are fine but I do get nervous for MEMI and PW.
Anyways I’ve missed this time of year when the board really starts buzzing again. Hopefully we can really get back to normal soon.
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 15, 2020 11:03:51 GMT -5
Hey everyone! With the vaccine getting kicked into gear and concerts hopefully back on the horizon, I figured its a great time make my return to the board. It’s been a long year without any concerts or festivals but I hope everyone is hanging in there and staying safe for this coming summer! I’m really curious how some of the local booking companies like promowest are holding up with no income. I’ve got to imagine that the likes of Livenation and AEG/Goldenvoice are fine but I do get nervous for MEMI and PW. Anyways I’ve missed this time of year when the board really starts buzzing again. Hopefully we can really get back to normal soon. Welcome back! I'm hopeful that AEG owning some of PW has been positive and that they are helping cover any costs. No rumblings about Express LIVE or Newport closing so that's good. I'm hopeful that with all these good news about vaccines being widely available by end of April (maybe even before that but I'm trying to be flexible on timelines), that some artists will be brave enough to announce some touring plans for early/mid summer next year. My wallet is ready to purchase concert tickets for mid/late 2021. Let's get the music back (when it's safe)! |
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Post by ordealbyfire on Dec 18, 2020 3:15:06 GMT -5
I have VIP tickets to Riot Fest next year and I’m actually thinking there’s a good chance it happens — vaccines will be everywhere within just a couple months.
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Post by notaguest on Dec 18, 2020 12:19:12 GMT -5
I have VIP tickets to Riot Fest next year and I’m actually thinking there’s a good chance it happens — vaccines will be everywhere within just a couple months. I also have passes to that, but am still unsure about whether the vaccine will have properly been distributed wide enough to allow a festival to take place. Right now, the US is pretty far down on the priority list after the first few batches. It will likely be predicated on the Moderna vaccine being approved and made in bulk. I just don't know what the timeline will realistically be for the logistics of these to be given to common folks. I'm optimistically hoping to get it in August, though I am near the back of the line in priority. Really hoping there is a Riot fest, I think that lineup will be killer after the next wave of announcements. |
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Post by chetguy on Dec 18, 2020 13:00:19 GMT -5
Everything is super unprecedented so there’s no way of knowing but I wonder when all the Midwest festivals announce lineups. Also I have my eye on Coachella bc if there’s a festival that tries to make a splash and be the first back it’s probably them
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 21, 2020 9:26:33 GMT -5
Everything is super unprecedented so there’s no way of knowing but I wonder when all the Midwest festivals announce lineups. Also I have my eye on Coachella bc if there’s a festival that tries to make a splash and be the first back it’s probably them I could DEFINITELY see them drop some kind of Christmas Day announcement. They have the money to try and be the first ones back. Is Bonnaroo using the same lineup that they had to cancel last year this fall? I think they moved this years to the fall if I'm not mistaken. |
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Post by showgirlsteve on Dec 21, 2020 11:18:49 GMT -5
I have VIP tickets to Riot Fest next year and I’m actually thinking there’s a good chance it happens — vaccines will be everywhere within just a couple months. I'm honestly thinking that RF is one of the least likely to happen, given how strict IL and especially Chicago have been. I'm (obviously) furloughed and some of the people who weren't in round one, and were feeding me info for the first few months of quarantine are also furloughed now, so take it with a grain of salt, but the general consensus from industry folks is, some return to (outdoor, possibly still distanced or drive-in) shows in summer, small shows returning in fall, large shows and festivals not possible until 2022. I would love to see music return full-fledged by late summer but I expect another entire season of cancellations. It depends on vaccine availability and also relies on A) people actually taking the vaccine that's offered, B) response to lifting restrictions in "A" markets. If Chicago, NYC, and LA are still under lockdown I would not expect most tours or festivals to go on even if the place where they're being held is able to host events. I've seen a lot of different ideas floating around about providing proof of a negative test or proof of vaccination once it's available, to get in, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. Best case scenario, vaccine is widely available enough by the end of April that people can get round one by May 1. Second dose by mid-May. That means people would be walking around peak immunity the first week of June-ish. Somewhere in May promoters would be able to look and say "okay, we're in good enough shape to bring people back to start planning things again." It takes a couple months to recall people from furlough, plan things, rehearse, get things moving again and touring picks back up mid-to-late summer. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 23, 2020 8:37:05 GMT -5
I have VIP tickets to Riot Fest next year and I’m actually thinking there’s a good chance it happens — vaccines will be everywhere within just a couple months. I'm honestly thinking that RF is one of the least likely to happen, given how strict IL and especially Chicago have been. I'm (obviously) furloughed and some of the people who weren't in round one, and were feeding me info for the first few months of quarantine are also furloughed now, so take it with a grain of salt, but the general consensus from industry folks is, some return to (outdoor, possibly still distanced or drive-in) shows in summer, small shows returning in fall, large shows and festivals not possible until 2022. I would love to see music return full-fledged by late summer but I expect another entire season of cancellations. It depends on vaccine availability and also relies on A) people actually taking the vaccine that's offered, B) response to lifting restrictions in "A" markets. If Chicago, NYC, and LA are still under lockdown I would not expect most tours or festivals to go on even if the place where they're being held is able to host events. I've seen a lot of different ideas floating around about providing proof of a negative test or proof of vaccination once it's available, to get in, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. Best case scenario, vaccine is widely available enough by the end of April that people can get round one by May 1. Second dose by mid-May. That means people would be walking around peak immunity the first week of June-ish. Somewhere in May promoters would be able to look and say "okay, we're in good enough shape to bring people back to start planning things again." It takes a couple months to recall people from furlough, plan things, rehearse, get things moving again and touring picks back up mid-to-late summer. Welcome back SGS! That's interesting insight, although not overly surprising. I didn't factor in, the big markets will be what drives most tours and festivals. Have you heard of any companies or festivals that may not be able to make it if if things get pushed back further to 2022? There are so many of them obviously some just wont update at all and just cease to exist but I was wondering if any like notable ones will. I think of like Bunbury and Forecastle and those tier ones (I really hope they make it but since we haven't heard much, who knows!) That makes sense it'd take time to bring everyone back and get up to speed on planning before being able to roll out those big productions again. I hope you and your colleagues are brought back from furlough soon so you can get back to doing what you love! |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 27, 2020 23:21:02 GMT -5
What's up all?! Crawling out of the woodwork to say hi and maybe share in the hope of brighter things to come in 2021. 2020 has been a series of messes but I'm hopeful we're closing in on the the light at the end of the tunnel. I have a job in State government that grants me some insight into how vaccine distribution will go, and I agree with Steve's timeline for Indiana. Vaccinations seem to be moving along well so far, but I still don't think we've peaked yet. I think our highest days, numbers wise, are in the next month or so.
So everyone, please stay safe and vigilant. we're getting there. Can't wait to be at a concert hopefully next year, can't come soon enough.
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Post by showgirlsteve on Jan 11, 2021 10:13:58 GMT -5
And there's the official postponement of Bunbury 2021.
Sounds like they're open to pushing it to later in the year if possible but not giving dates yet.
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Post by akronbunbarian on Feb 2, 2021 10:11:07 GMT -5
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