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Post by funkymoses17 on Nov 29, 2019 16:52:41 GMT -5
They def feel like a weak headliner. They opened for Beck on a tour this Spring so it seems weird to me they would be a top 3 at Forecastle but if that day is strong then it’d be a mute point. To be fair, it was a co-headlined tour and they have extensive catalog of very successful hits. They're about Beck level by now, and certainly more headliner worthy than Anderson Paak if we're only judging success. I definitely think they are headliner material at Forecastle level festivals, but considering how unimpressed I was seeing them last year, I just think they could do a lot better. Good studio band, mediocre live. Good point. They do have a ton of material. I wasnt familiar with Anderson Paak, maybe thats why if he was a weak headliner! That stinks they aren’t great live. I remember people here saying their sets (and front man in particular) being kind of a mess on that tour. |
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Post by mcnasty on Nov 29, 2019 17:25:16 GMT -5
To be fair, it was a co-headlined tour and they have extensive catalog of very successful hits. They're about Beck level by now, and certainly more headliner worthy than Anderson Paak if we're only judging success. I definitely think they are headliner material at Forecastle level festivals, but considering how unimpressed I was seeing them last year, I just think they could do a lot better. Good studio band, mediocre live. Good point. They do have a ton of material. I wasnt familiar with Anderson Paak, maybe thats why if he was a weak headliner! That stinks they aren’t great live. I remember people here saying their sets (and front man in particular) being kind of a mess on that tour. Yes, he was a huge mess in Indy. They weren't completely terrible, they had some good moments. But overall, it just did not compare to their recordings and was just disappointing. The front man tried way too hard to be over artistic and just ended up sounding worse. Perfect example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jm5zEa6yQ |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Nov 29, 2019 18:18:12 GMT -5
Good point. They do have a ton of material. I wasnt familiar with Anderson Paak, maybe thats why if he was a weak headliner! That stinks they aren’t great live. I remember people here saying their sets (and front man in particular) being kind of a mess on that tour. Yes, he was a huge mess in Indy. They weren't completely terrible, they had some good moments. But overall, it just did not compare to their recordings and was just disappointing. The front man tried way too hard to be over artistic and just ended up sounding worse. Perfect example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jm5zEa6yQuh wow. I'm not even really sure what to say about that. If they did this nonsense and sounded like this as a headliner of Forecastle, that would be very very unappealing. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Nov 29, 2019 18:18:54 GMT -5
It sounds like they may not be doing the late night shows this year? At least that's what I'm assuming based on them using the Ferry differently this year:
All Aboard the Forecastle Ferry!
NEW to 2020! Cruise the Ohio River on the historic Mary M. Miller paddlewheel boat and arrive at Forecastle in style, fully equipped with brunch tapas and complimentary beer/wine* to start your musical adventure. At day’s end, come aboard and celebrate with a champagne toast* and late night small bites. Complimentary valet parking included from Forth Street Wharf. Add a Forecastle Ferry ticket to your order during pre-sale!
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Post by mcnasty on Nov 29, 2019 23:36:33 GMT -5
Yes, he was a huge mess in Indy. They weren't completely terrible, they had some good moments. But overall, it just did not compare to their recordings and was just disappointing. The front man tried way too hard to be over artistic and just ended up sounding worse. Perfect example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jm5zEa6yQuh wow. I'm not even really sure what to say about that. If they did this nonsense and sounded like this as a headliner of Forecastle, that would be very very unappealing. Yeah, I'm not sure there was a moment quite as bad as this when I saw them in Indy, but you get the general idea. It's a real shame, I genuinely like their music. But I really have no desire to see them again. I was very let down. Thankfully Beck was much, much, much better. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 1, 2019 8:39:22 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle?
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 1, 2019 11:40:08 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle? I'd say probably a little bit more confident. Worth mentioning that the The 1975 were #7 at Hangout last year and #3 at Bunbury, and Hozier was #9 at Hangout and headlined Railbird, though that was a smaller first year fest. Anderson Paak was #7 at Boston Calling, so I do think Cage could easily be a top 3 at Forecastle. They usually have two strong headliners and then a third that's a little weaker. (Modest Mouse, Anderson Paak, Odesza). They've also often featured a fourth artist on the headliner level as well, such as Sturgill Simpson or Death Cab for Cutie. Going off of their patterns, here is my first shot at their 2020 lineup: Tame Impala-Kacey Musgraves-Cage the Elephant SZA-Nathaniel Rateliff and the Nightsweats-Young the Giant |
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Post by bingaling on Dec 1, 2019 12:53:17 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle? Based on the source, I’m pretty confident they are a headliner. (Could be proven wrong, but the source of the the person that mentioned it would be in the know and they said Cage is one of the headliners. They also line up with normal Forecastle headliners like mentioned by others. Have been told in the past that Forecastle doesn’t want to lose the smaller festival feel, so three headliners like a few years back (Beck, Jack White and Outkast) will probably not be seen in the future. Maybe 1 ‘big’ get and two others that are a little smaller. By big get I am talking the size of The Killers, LCD Soundsystem, Arcade Fire. The other two headliners will be the size of the Avett’s, Modest Mouse, Chris Stapleton, My Morning Jacket, etc. |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 1, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle? Based on the source, I’m pretty confident they are a headliner. (Could be proven wrong, but the source of the the person that mentioned it would be in the know and they said Cage is one of the headliners. They also line up with normal Forecastle headliners like mentioned by others. Have been told in the past that Forecastle doesn’t want to lose the smaller festival feel, so three headliners like a few years back (Beck, Jack White and Outkast) will probably not be seen in the future. Maybe 1 ‘big’ get and two others that are a little smaller. By big get I am talking the size of The Killers, LCD Soundsystem, Arcade Fire. The other two headliners will be the size of the Avett’s, Modest Mouse, Chris Stapleton, My Morning Jacket, etc. That makes sense. Forecastle seems to be successful enough to book three major headliners like the ones you mentioned each year, but it also doesn't seem to really need to book more than one big name headliner to attract big crowds, and I get the feeling they're happy with the size of the festival and have found a good formula to keep it at that size. The lineups are consistent, and the festival itself is executed perfectly. They're in a good groove. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 1, 2019 21:45:14 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle? Based on the source, I’m pretty confident they are a headliner. (Could be proven wrong, but the source of the the person that mentioned it would be in the know and they said Cage is one of the headliners. They also line up with normal Forecastle headliners like mentioned by others. Have been told in the past that Forecastle doesn’t want to lose the smaller festival feel, so three headliners like a few years back (Beck, Jack White and Outkast) will probably not be seen in the future. Maybe 1 ‘big’ get and two others that are a little smaller. By big get I am talking the size of The Killers, LCD Soundsystem, Arcade Fire. The other two headliners will be the size of the Avett’s, Modest Mouse, Chris Stapleton, My Morning Jacket, etc. Makes total sense. They definitely always seem to be a little more unique in their lineup than a lot of other festivals too |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 1, 2019 21:45:52 GMT -5
With Cage the Elephant being 6th on Hangout’s lineup, does that make us more or less confident they are a top 3 headliner at Forecastle? I'd say probably a little bit more confident. Worth mentioning that the The 1975 were #7 at Hangout last year and #3 at Bunbury, and Hozier was #9 at Hangout and headlined Railbird, though that was a smaller first year fest. Anderson Paak was #7 at Boston Calling, so I do think Cage could easily be a top 3 at Forecastle. They usually have two strong headliners and then a third that's a little weaker. (Modest Mouse, Anderson Paak, Odesza). They've also often featured a fourth artist on the headliner level as well, such as Sturgill Simpson or Death Cab for Cutie. Going off of their patterns, here is my first shot at their 2020 lineup: Tame Impala-Kacey Musgraves-Cage the Elephant SZA-Nathaniel Rateliff and the Nightsweats-Young the Giant This would be a really good start to an overall lineup for me if it was that. |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 2, 2019 11:24:04 GMT -5
Alanis Morrisette announced a huge national amphitheater tour for the anniversary of "Jagged Little Pill". She's stopping in Cincinnati and in Indy, but nothing in Louisville. This seems like a big tour, it might be enough to be #3 or 4 at Forecastle, and it'd be a pretty unique booking, which they like to do. She's in Chicago that Friday and St. Louis that Saturday, but is open Sunday. I think she's definitely possible.
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 2, 2019 11:27:43 GMT -5
Alanis Morrisette announced a huge national amphitheater tour for the anniversary of "Jagged Little Pill". She's stopping in Cincinnati and in Indy, but nothing in Louisville. This seems like a big tour, it might be enough to be #3 or 4 at Forecastle, and it'd be a pretty unique booking, which they like to do. She's in Chicago that Friday and St. Louis that Saturday, but is open Sunday. I think she's definitely possible. Beat me to it! It does seem like she only does a few days in a row before taking a day or two off but wouldn't play again until the 21st so she would still get the Monday off if she was on Sunday. Would love a booking like that for sure. It looks like Live Nation is doing the booking of that tour (not sure if that factors in at all or not). |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 2, 2019 14:21:28 GMT -5
Alanis Morrisette announced a huge national amphitheater tour for the anniversary of "Jagged Little Pill". She's stopping in Cincinnati and in Indy, but nothing in Louisville. This seems like a big tour, it might be enough to be #3 or 4 at Forecastle, and it'd be a pretty unique booking, which they like to do. She's in Chicago that Friday and St. Louis that Saturday, but is open Sunday. I think she's definitely possible. Beat me to it! It does seem like she only does a few days in a row before taking a day or two off but wouldn't play again until the 21st so she would still get the Monday off if she was on Sunday. Would love a booking like that for sure. It looks like Live Nation is doing the booking of that tour (not sure if that factors in at all or not). I think LoveNation Acts and tours have been booked before so I think its totally plausible. Also, I saw that Tier 1 tickets for $115 already sold out and they're on to tier 2 of presale at $125. Compared to 179 "Early Bee" tickets at Bunbury....well...no wonder Forecastle has consistently bigger crowds. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 2, 2019 16:10:01 GMT -5
Beat me to it! It does seem like she only does a few days in a row before taking a day or two off but wouldn't play again until the 21st so she would still get the Monday off if she was on Sunday. Would love a booking like that for sure. It looks like Live Nation is doing the booking of that tour (not sure if that factors in at all or not). I think LoveNation Acts and tours have been booked before so I think its totally plausible. Also, I saw that Tier 1 tickets for $115 already sold out and they're on to tier 2 of presale at $125. Compared to 179 "Early Bee" tickets at Bunbury....well...no wonder Forecastle has consistently bigger crowds. Is that the price differential before fees?! Wow that's incredible. I saw people on reddit saying the fees for Forecastle went up this year. I wonder if that is a sign they spent more to book acts this year and raised fees to make up for that? |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 2, 2019 16:35:02 GMT -5
I think LoveNation Acts and tours have been booked before so I think its totally plausible. Also, I saw that Tier 1 tickets for $115 already sold out and they're on to tier 2 of presale at $125. Compared to 179 "Early Bee" tickets at Bunbury....well...no wonder Forecastle has consistently bigger crowds. Is that the price differential before fees?! Wow that's incredible. I saw people on reddit saying the fees for Forecastle went up this year. I wonder if that is a sign they spent more to book acts this year and raised fees to make up for that? Yeah the fees are $32 per ticket for Forecastle and $20 for Bunbury. Still much cheaper for Forecastle though. And with Forecastle, you know they book consistent lineups year after year without big genre changes or different levels of acts. With Bunbury, its a crapshoot. You really have no clue what you're going to get. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 2, 2019 18:39:12 GMT -5
Is that the price differential before fees?! Wow that's incredible. I saw people on reddit saying the fees for Forecastle went up this year. I wonder if that is a sign they spent more to book acts this year and raised fees to make up for that? Yeah the fees are $32 per ticket for Forecastle and $20 for Bunbury. Still much cheaper for Forecastle though. And with Forecastle, you know they book consistent lineups year after year without big genre changes or different levels of acts. With Bunbury, its a crapshoot. You really have no clue what you're going to get. Excellent point. Better value so far. I’m trying to keep faith on Bunbury putting out a good lineup but Forecastle can win me over easily after my experience going there last year. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 4, 2019 15:05:18 GMT -5
Thread on inforoo noted that Lana Del Ray tweeted about show and festival announcements soon the same day that tickets went on sale for Forecastle and in some way claimed she would be playing Louisville. People are speculating there that she could play Forecastle and then Pitchfork in Illinois the next weekend. I could see her definitely being a headliner if she is there.
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 4, 2019 16:27:21 GMT -5
Thread on inforoo noted that Lana Del Ray tweeted about show and festival announcements soon the same day that tickets went on sale for Forecastle and in some way claimed she would be playing Louisville. People are speculating there that she could play Forecastle and then Pitchfork in Illinois the next weekend. I could see her definitely being a headliner if she is there. That would make a lot of sense! I could see her being #2 and Cage #3, leaving one big headlining spot open. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 5, 2019 8:54:44 GMT -5
Thread on inforoo noted that Lana Del Ray tweeted about show and festival announcements soon the same day that tickets went on sale for Forecastle and in some way claimed she would be playing Louisville. People are speculating there that she could play Forecastle and then Pitchfork in Illinois the next weekend. I could see her definitely being a headliner if she is there. That would make a lot of sense! I could see her being #2 and Cage #3, leaving one big headlining spot open. That last spot would be interesting. I guess it could always be like a Mumford or Black Keys since that's kind of the same vibes but I feel like they always try to mix things up so now all the headliners have the same vibes. |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 8, 2019 22:10:58 GMT -5
That would make a lot of sense! I could see her being #2 and Cage #3, leaving one big headlining spot open. That last spot would be interesting. I guess it could always be like a Mumford or Black Keys since that's kind of the same vibes but I feel like they always try to mix things up so now all the headliners have the same vibes. Mumford is what I was thinking. Also worth noting that Cage is from Kentucky, and Forecastle does like to have Kentucky bands headline. They've had Chris Stapleton and My Morning Jacket and Tyler Childers as a sub in recent years, and I am sure there are more. If not Forecastle, Cage could always headline Railbird as well. I'm also feeling Kacey Musgraves for Railbird. That woukd be a BIG draw for a sophomore festival and seems to fit with their vibe. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 9, 2019 9:39:51 GMT -5
That last spot would be interesting. I guess it could always be like a Mumford or Black Keys since that's kind of the same vibes but I feel like they always try to mix things up so now all the headliners have the same vibes. Mumford is what I was thinking. Also worth noting that Cage is from Kentucky, and Forecastle does like to have Kentucky bands headline. They've had Chris Stapleton and My Morning Jacket and Tyler Childers as a sub in recent years, and I am sure there are more. If not Forecastle, Cage could always headline Railbird as well. I'm also feeling Kacey Musgraves for Railbird. That woukd be a BIG draw for a sophomore festival and seems to fit with their vibe. A top line of Mumford, Lana and Cage the Elephant would leave me a little disappointed tbh. Not that the headliners would be the make or break for me but I'm not much of a Mumford fan so they wouldn't bring much excitement for me. Although from an overall appeal i know people LOVE them some Mumford so it would go over very well. |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 9, 2019 10:09:34 GMT -5
Mumford is what I was thinking. Also worth noting that Cage is from Kentucky, and Forecastle does like to have Kentucky bands headline. They've had Chris Stapleton and My Morning Jacket and Tyler Childers as a sub in recent years, and I am sure there are more. If not Forecastle, Cage could always headline Railbird as well. I'm also feeling Kacey Musgraves for Railbird. That woukd be a BIG draw for a sophomore festival and seems to fit with their vibe. A top line of Mumford, Lana and Cage the Elephant would leave me a little disappointed tbh. Not that the headliners would be the make or break for me but I'm not much of a Mumford fan so they wouldn't bring much excitement for me. Although from an overall appeal i know people LOVE them some Mumford so it would go over very well. And for some reason, people seem to really like Cage the Elephant live. They were well received when I saw them, which was confusing because they were VERY mediocre. I guess people perceived his stumbling and throwing himself around as energy and artistic flair, but it just didn't sound good. I think they'd go over well, but I'm in no hurry to see them again. |
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Post by sterny331 on Dec 12, 2019 8:37:59 GMT -5
Was really hoping cage would be at bunbury
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Post by bingaling on Dec 17, 2019 21:13:40 GMT -5
Good news...Forecastle just signed a 5 year deal with waterfront park here in Louisville. So, not going anywhere for a while.
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Post by funkymoses17 on Dec 18, 2019 9:50:44 GMT -5
Good news...Forecastle just signed a 5 year deal with waterfront park here in Louisville. So, not going anywhere for a while. Hell Yeah! |
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Post by mcnasty on Dec 18, 2019 12:07:52 GMT -5
Good news...Forecastle just signed a 5 year deal with waterfront park here in Louisville. So, not going anywhere for a while. Hell Yeah! YES!! Louisville and Waterfront Park is perfect for this festival. I didn't think it was ever in any real danger. My guess is that Forecastle was teasing the possibility of leaving to help get a better deal. I'm sure Louisville didn't want them to leave. it's obviously a huge source of revenue for the city and brings in a flock of visitors every year. Plus, the crowds are well behaved, clean and don't damage the park. I'm excited to return this year. Its almost a certainty for me now, barring an incredibly disappointing lineup. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Jan 6, 2020 17:03:12 GMT -5
Steve or Bingaling, got any info on the Forecastle lineup? Last we heard rumors were Cage the Elephant and Lana Del Rey ...
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Post by bingaling on Jan 6, 2020 18:17:08 GMT -5
Steve or Bingaling, got any info on the Forecastle lineup? Last we heard rumors were Cage the Elephant and Lana Del Rey ... Haven’t heard anything recently. It sounds like the lineup is going to drop soon. They normally release a week or two after Bonnaroo. I’ll see if I can dig anything else up. If what I was told a few weeks ago is correct, Cage is one of the headliners. |
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Post by funkymoses17 on Jan 6, 2020 19:17:44 GMT -5
Steve or Bingaling, got any info on the Forecastle lineup? Last we heard rumors were Cage the Elephant and Lana Del Rey ... Haven’t heard anything recently. It sounds like the lineup is going to drop soon. They normally release a week or two after Bonnaroo. I’ll see if I can dig anything else up. If what I was told a few weeks ago is correct, Cage is one of the headliners. Will they do the clues again this year you think? I’m def interested in how they plan to expand the Bourbon Lounge too. Excited to see how it shakes off. Cage has to be a #3 |
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